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Gil Student
by Joel Rich
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Warning – Paradigm shift ahead – Please keep your heads within the ride at all times.
Understanding history helps you understand Talmud. There are assumptions that “everyone knows” at the time but later "no one knows" (e.g. door construction). Political history may explain why shmuel was the expositor of dina dmalchuta. Fascinating discussion of a story of R’Yochanan and R’Cahana [my chiddush – perhaps the story that R’Cahana was “resurrected” by R’Yochanan explains why the gemara elsewhere can give the answer to a seeming contradiction as “there were 2 R’Cahana’s” and the differing versions in the Bavli and Yerushalmi. Historical struggle for dominance?
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Note – the Talmud contains different genres and the rules of storytelling may change over time. 55% of the Bavli is anonymous and provides the framework for the other 45%.
The gemara doesn’t seem primarily interested in final halacha, it does use sophisticated logic but can’t reconcile all sugyot (there really are differing viewpoints). Rishonim are aware of many sugyot added by gaonim (was this by mesora or logic?).
There’s a dynamic tension between Avdut (slavery) and cheirut (freedom) throughout the Haggada. Discussion of the difference between Sippur (telling) and Zichira (remembering). Requirement of hodaah (giving thanks) for both the ups and downs – Halacha and Hashkafa of Pesach.
Hashkafik insights from sfirat (counting) of the omer – is it viewed as bitulit (counting down) or kiyumit (positive build up) – Open vs. closed world views!
Parshat Shmot as the story of both galut (exile) and geula (redemption). Focus on the period and purpose of shovavim. A somewhat nistar (hidden) kabbalistic approach.
What made the Rav special – stories
1. Ameilut B’Torah
2. Surrender to will of HKB”H
3. Humility
4. ruaavir al midotav
5. Sensitive to others suffering
6. Gave freely of his time
7. Felt the presence of shechina
8. Felt living mesorah
Nice selection of stories but I can’t agree with what the presenter felt the best hesped to be that of R’Weinberg.
(A lighter shade of pale?)Daily Talmud shiur dealing with general approach to Aggadita (a’la Rambam) and Sheidim (little devils?). General rule sheidim can’t act if their actions would be recognizable (perhaps related to miracles only occurring if samui min haayin (out of sight) and general rule of not assuming HKB”H will intervene).
Little on sheidim in the Yerushalmi (vs. Bavli) {Me-see R' Elman above?}
Sheidim were used to explain the unexplainable, now since science explains much not as much need (me – typical rationalist!)
Uses Gemara Pesachim 94b where Nirin divreihem (secular scholars were right).
Coincidence? He starts early with the same gemara in Pesachim. He then gives a nice summary of a number of approaches to how to deal with (me – perceived – I’m still hoping to get an artscroll biography written about me ) contradictions between science and chazal (reason and revelation).
1. Pachad Yitzchak (18th century) – science hasn’t changed, it is correct & halacha should change (killing lice on Shabbat example).
2. R’Dessler – All halacha of chazal is correct & “sort of” halacha moshe misinai – chazal may have given reasons based on then current science, but that was their addition (or as I learned in my brief visit to Gush – descriptive not prescriptive).
3. Chazon Ish says in order to save scientific and chazal truth, R’Dessler sacrificed "learning" (i.e. what’s the point if its all really chok) thus we must answer nature changed but we have no authority to change halacha.
4. R’Moshe Feinstein – by case of Ptzuah Daka – reality changes and so does halacha.
5. R’Menashe Klein – current science is wrong (or scientists are….)
Interesting dicta at end re: how one chooses an approach (me – IMHO it’s a symbiotic relationship between the individual (personality, experience) & Torah and even if you’re a 1. or 4. how to decide where to change without too much disruption to “make the world a better place” (did I hear someone say meta halacha?)
It would be nice if R’Broyde could post the exact Mareh Mkomot for each approach.
Everything you ever wanted to know about the rules of koshering utensils.
Chief Rabbi Sacks on behalf of Lubavitch on the occasion of Hakhel. There are 3 mitzvot – Hakhel, Birchat Hachama and Pesach which reflect creation, revelation and redemption as well as the individual, the family and the nation. Bottom line – unity of the Jewish people is important! [me – seems like we all agree on this – just many want the unity on their terms].
Halacha generally conservative get society changes and halacha evolves (e.g. heter iska (interest), prozbol) and some change becomes so accepted we don’t think about it. Obviously evolution in society of women’s roles, evolution in women learning (large scale) started with chafetz chaim. Now we have Toanot and poskot. Within halachik world we see evolution of bat mitzvah from forbidden to accepted [me – meta discussions].
Bottom line – when societal changes create religiously dangerous tension, halacha must react. Women aliyot also discussed (maybe ok for new communities).
(Let’s discuss till next Pesach – in Yerushalayim in the rebuilt beit hamikdash I”YH )
R’H Schacter (R’HS) & R’Y Belsky (R’YB) Q&A session.
R’HS discussion of Shmsrah matzah and 18 minute (= 1st run of the AM) matzah [issue is chumrah if some old dough falls back in prior to Pesach – there’s an opinion of chozer v’niur on Pesach]. Also machine (cleaner) vs. hand (better Lshma).
R’HS – Koshering china – the opinion of the Chacham Tzvi that leaving it unused for 12 months is effective – generally not accepted.
R’HS – dish towels – just wash them well.
R’HS – countertops – only need to be cleaned off unless you’re putting hot Passover foods on them.
R’YB - kitniyot were generally defined by some combination of the “seedness”, the “flourness” or the similarity of the cleaning process. So for “new foods” need to look at these. He feels quiona flour is so similar to chametz that it is kitniyot (vs. potato which is a large vegetable, not a seed). Others disagree and may be meikil if it’s a health issue with no substitute.
R’YB – too many people who go away for yom tov think they can just go away and lock the door (not – unless you’re really incapacitated).
R’HS – must use a candle for biyur chametz .
R’HS – If you did bdikah in the office do you have to worry about office staff putting chametz on your desk (and cover with towels). Answer – Don’t be paranoid (me – excellent general advice).
R’YB – medicine chest – worry about edibles/grain alcohol’s (liquid medicines in particular). Pills generally not an issue but vitamins may be.
R’YB – Paper plates/towels – don’t worry about cornstarch.
R’HS & R’YB – Self cleaning ovens don’t need an insert. Stainless steel (R’HS) sink – even if pour boiling water need insert (concern if hot chametz had touched steel – irui isn’t enough).
R’HS – If kids eat when they play, you must clean toys. If parents eat when they learn, you must clean sefarim. (me – some are machmir to not open a sefer all year)
R’YB – Any "halachik relief" due to financial crisis? Don’t look for kulot, be machmir for chesed.
R’HS – You can skip part of maggid for non-frum guests (not to be bored), but should ask shaila as to which.
What if kids dvrei torah postone afikomen till after chatzot? Teach kids not to, ask wife to cut down on number of courses! If visiting negotiate in advance, if no choice, what can you do?
R’YB – Baby food kitniyot, just wash off plates in a non-pesach sink but rice cereal has flakes of other cereals and not batel since mixture takes place on Pesach.
R’HS – Foods that are kosher for pesach but opened before Pesach we generally don’t use but if sealed, just wipe off.
R’YB – Hot water pump from pre-pesach is fine if only used for water and no kids put stuff in but should do irui on spout.
R’HS – meat packaged prior to pesach is OK if packager established rules about no
chametz around
- egg matzah no good – R’A. Soloveitchik felt his really had no chance of being chametz because it was always being worked.
R’YB – General discussion of rules of blessings on matzah based products
- no pesach concerns with bagged “Kosher” lettuce (hmmm – did he mean there are kashrut concerns?)
R’M Shapiro discusses the rewriting of history and censoring of books.
Examples included retouching – pictures of gedolim (putting on kipot in German University), their wives (so they can meet R’Falk’s rules), title pages (to take out some “art” {think Dan Akroyd as E. Buzz Miller}, haskamot (who wants R’Kook’s these days)…
MO do as well (but should know better) Israeli Charedim do it the most (view that the elite must control what the masses see).
It’s no surprise – the charedi, world view truth more as an instrument than as a value and there’s ample precedent [me – but even then, will it work?]
